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Hey All

I have been doing alot of thinking about this Pay For Mods.

I know most of you dont mind paying for these mods that I Create, But there are some that do mind :mellow:

I know people say that you cant please everyone, but I always try :mellow:

So this is what I have decided to do.

I will only charge for custom mod requests. This means if someone needs a mod created or changed to fit there needs, I will charge just them for that mod. Once I have recived payment, that mod will be then available to all for free.

This also means that all my mods that I have created and have been payed for will be available for download for FREE. :D:mellow:

I will continue to make mods on my own all those will also be for free. The Only ones that I will charge for are the custom mods that people REQUEST.

O ya Donations Will Always Be Excepted :):)

I feel that the people that I drive away because of me charging for these mods, is taking away business from Brooky and after all this is his creation and He deserves compensation for this great cart we all profit from.

Plus I want to help in the developement of cubecart and make this cart becaome one of its own.

Im going to be submiting my mods to Brooky and maybe he will use them in the next version of cubecart, and man do i have alot of mods. I have only told you guys abou have of them :D

Please give me a few days to combine all of them with the current version released and then a good debugging so all will be set for the next version os cubecart.

and who ever has the fix for the missing orders mod. Can you submit it to me so i can add it to the new version.

Of corse I have to get this past Brooky before I can do anything :D

Also there has been some ideas that have been told to me that will really improve cubecart so keep an Eye out for new postings on that! :)

I will have my mods available for download very soon and you will beable to get them from THE MOD STORE very soon.

Let me know what you guys think about this or if you have any questions

Wildbill :mellow:

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Hi Bill

as I am in the same position as you are I will as requested share my thoughts.

1 I know people say that you cant please everyone

hellas that is a fact :)

2 I feel that the people that I drive away because of me charging for these mods, is taking away business from Brooky

That's sounds wrong to me, are people looking for a free cart here ? yes they are !

Can they get it here? yes

Is the mod factor the most important to one who's looking for a cart?

People complaining that you or I charge a small fee for a mod are the same people that would NEVER take a licencekey (with or without mods) believe me

+ I downloaded E-store 10 months ago and did go online with it without even knowing there was a forum for it

3 (most important to me)

if someone needs a mod created or changed to fit there needs, I will charge just them for that mod. Once I have recived payment, that mod will be then available to all for free.

It seems rather unfair to let one pay for a mod , and give it away for free to someone else

just my thoughts

Stijn

ps I guess the more we argue about the pay for mods will drive people away from this board

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I think this is a very fair and courteous offer Wildbill.

I personally am not a PHP programmer, I can read and edit some of the code, but im not great, although I do pay for custom mods, some of which I have passed on to other cubecart members whop have posted in forums for example a shipping mod, the only reason I dont post them on downloads.cubecart.com is because they dont follow the guidelines of a txty fil with cut and paste code, as I send the files off, get them modified and then recieve them. This works for me!

I think you are offering a fair service, and I can see where stinjn is coming from that charging 1 person and then releaseing it is unfair, but its not something i am unfamiliar with!

I think if there was more developers like you around, there is no limits for CC, and the uptake of this application would sky rocket.

You have my support anyway

Paul

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Hi Paul

I think if there was more developers like you around, there is no limits for CC, and the uptake of this application would sky rocket.

I allready talked about this in a few other topics and I did imagine: would we release my 'modded store' including all mods made by Wildbill and gdpie.com well ... CubeCart would be in no time download Nr 1 for free carts.

But then again ... well see my previous post

I guess I'm in the middle off eehh :) and :)

Stijn

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wildbill,

I applaud your efforts and think it is a great idea. (or at least a step in the right direction!)

There is no doubt that CubeCart is a great cart, but imagine if you were new and trying to decide on which cart to use. Are you going to pick the cart that is "free" with limited features and pay extra for mods, or are you going to pick the cart that is free with more features AND free mods?

Ultimately it would be great to see development of this cart pick up because brooky has made great strides with it, and now we all suffer since the development stopped.

People complaining that you or I charge a small fee for a mod are the same people that would NEVER take a licencekey (with or without mods) believe me

+ I downloaded E-store 10 months ago and did go online with it without even knowing there was a forum for it

I beg to differ with you about this one Stijn. I am a licensed CubeCart owner and I still won't pay for your mods! To me the whole idea of a product and project like this is community involvement. People trying to make money off it, just take away from the value of stagnate the growth of the product. Imagine how many more people would be attracted to it if all the mods were free! No more discussions or arguments about paying for this, paying for that, etc.

I hope your plan works out wildbill, and I hope development takes off again for this potentially great cart!

Ryan

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hmzz

me again

I beg to differ with you about this one Stijn. I am a licensed CubeCart owner and I still won't pay for your mods!

well ryan, look at this, my lisenced store, without even removing the link to CubeCart desuikerij.be

1 : nobody is forced to buy mods I wrote

2 : you present me like I'm the wurst guy on earth, while I posted more on this board to help people then made an offer to buy mods.Thanks for that.

Goddamned my heart is where CubeCart is.

anyway I'll think this topic over during the weekend.

Stijn

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This would be great, does this mean an offline payment mod will appear. A lot of people seem to be asking and it must put a lot of people off. I have to make a decision on which software to use by tommorrow evening. Cubecart is my preference, but i have a cc machine and wish to process my own payments. I cant see the point of signing up to a merchant which will cost me more in setup fees, card fees and not to mention time for actually getting the money. I have got litecommerce (not free but cheap) which allows this as does oscommerce (free but not particularly user friendly). If this mod is going to come about then cubecart will be the choice, not only for me but i am sure many others :)

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Stijn,

Please accept my sincere apologies. I am not trying to make you out as the bad guy, just trying to have some meaningful conversation!

My posts were merely intended to provide an opposing viewpoint so that others reading have both sides of the story.

I respect your work, and you have contributed a lot to CubeCart. I hope in time others like you will help out and really make CubeCart what it can be.

As a sidenote, my store is also licensed and I left the links to encourage more people to learn about CubeCart.

Enjoy your weekend!

Ryan

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I'm just throwing my thoughts in...

I believe if you make a mod for something, you hold the right to charge for such mods... You "DESERVE" to be paid for your work...

Having said that... There are several mods that I need, and all of them are paid mods... I don't have the money right now as my business is still in it's infancy and all my monies are going into getting everything ready (licenses, etc)... Once I have the money, the mods will be purchased by me... Yes wildbill, you WILL be getting paid (as agreed in my email to you before you made your mods free) for your shipping mod, and in the future, I would like to speak with you about maybe some custom mods... But that is in the future, when I have the funds available for such. :)

Wayne Smith

www.compujudge.com/store

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Many people use open source ( I know Cube Cart is not!) and pay someone to modify it or install it. I would think the small price on some of these mods would be no problem. I have had those like Stijn give advice and offer help - for nothing.

I haven't licensed my Cube Cart yet, as soon as I get a few orders and know it's a "keeper" I plan to do that but right now , it does not fit my business as I need more options it won't do ( which osCommerce and ZenCart do but I prefer the look of Cube Cart)

So, this is my opinion from a "customer" viewpoint. I would sit and wait for someone else to request the mod and pay for it if it was going to be free after that. Myself, I haven't been able to get any mods to work correctly except the extra box. Because of this, I haven't tried many either! I tried hard to get the Contact form to work and ended up just pasting in my own old contact form as a new document with a separate form script. Thats the my main reason for just waiting for the mods - I must be doing something wrong trying to integrate them. I'd be afraid of paying for something I couldn't get to work! I assume paying, there is more support at least for the mod?

To the mod writers, what would be the cost of a text box mod. I need a blank line on several products the customer can fill in as an option. Like add a name to a personalized product. Some products require 2 lines in addition to drop down box options. I cannot use a drop down box with things that have 15,000 options! Does anyone have any idea how to do this that it could be selected as an option type?

Other than this text box problem and I get no notice of Paypal orders (except from Paypal but it doesn't tell me what was ordered) I have since talked to the customer, they did not get a copy of the order or shipping notice either. This does not happen on mail orders. I am hanging in there hoping for these things to be resolved as I LOVE this cart the most but meanwhile keep plugging away on a Zencart I installed in case I have to switch.

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Since I created my mod store I have had 49 orders. On average each order included atleast 3 of my mods. Out of those 49 orders, only 2 people chose to donate anything for my work. Although I am a little dissappointed in the % of people that offered anything. I am glad to see people are downloading an using my mods.

I have to agree with stijnj about charging one person for a mod, then giving it away to everyone else. It isn't fair to charge only one person. That was the main reason I decided before to start charging everyone for all my mods. Then I noticed a drop in demand for my mods and decided to give them away with an option to donate.

I guess I would rather have more people using my mods and make a little money, than no one using them and make no money.

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I have downloaded from sites with mandatory donations and when it starts low enough I don't think it hinders anyone that really wants something. You just make sure its something you really want instead of the "playing" to see how it works.

Maybe set donations at a minimum of $3. or something with options up to what you sold them for when you charged. That would have been almost $150. from 49 users! It cost money to keep software current and host these free downloads.

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Hi all

After closing down my 'mods store' I 've got a dozen verry suportive emails from forummembers, encurriging me te re-open the store.But seriously I'm still confused about this whole topic.

Glad though to read qdpie.coms' reply

Out of those 49 orders, only 2 people chose to donate anything for my work. Although I am a little dissappointed in the % of people that offered anything

We do live in a world where it seems everything needs to be for free.You should live in my country : where the sp-a (name of the political socialists) desided to provide free bustickets,free dentistvisits,free concerts,free school, extra free days from work, free childcare,less working hours etc but they forget to tell to the citizen of Belgium that it all gets paid by the working class ,those who are self-employed and factories (no wonder so many factories desided to go elsewhere since last year)

What I try to say is , one should know that nothing that comes for free just like that. I for me desided long ago, that I would not live like most people do in the west : money is the only goal to live for,work less and profit from others as much as you can.I was not raised that way.

One could ask , what the f*** has this to do according to CubeCart or to this topic in general?My answer to that is :qdpie.com ( +WildBill, and myself) wrote some pretty good mods for CC,in the first place not to make money out of it,but to improve cubecart. It is fair to ask some donation for our work, and believe me writing a mod is hard work!!,then everyone started to complain and made us look like greedy and or thiefs.After these accusations,qdpie.com even started to feel guilty, so he desided to give his hard work just for free, counting on a fair donation.Well ... you can read above how many store-owners ,who make money out of onlinebusiness and improved their CubeCart with mods from him, didn't even took time to donate something like $5 (wtf can one buy for $5?)for his work.That's 2% out of all the downloads he had.Now who's the greedy one in here?qdpie.com?Don't think so.

At this moment I'm talking to Brooky to find out how to deal with the future of CubeCart, because it's CubeCart that matters to me, not the mods!There is an option to set up a developers team.Until then I'll continue improving Cubecart with mods and add-ons, without releasing any of them.I prefer not to share anything for free or to pay for ,instead of being called a thief .That's why I'll keep my mods-store closed aswell.

Best Regards

Stijn

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Brooky, StijnJ and others,

I appreciate the work you've been doing in developing CubeCart. Brooky used a lot of time to develop this script, but since he's having a new job, he's not able to give the necessary support. StijnJ and other modders are giving that support, but like to have something in return, like the licences Brooky sells for his part of the job.

If you add up these things, you'll get a very good team. StijnJ and the modders give the support on CubeCart and provide mods, but get a part of the revenues from Brooky. And everyone is happy :D

You can also provide 2 versions of CubeCart.

A 'lite' version without mods for free

A 'licensed' version with mods included for a few $$

Be creative, join hands, think about the future of CubeCart and make this a success!

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Hi,

As a newbie I thought I would let you have my view. I know no code so am suspicious of "modding" my store. Whilst I would love to do it I certainly dont have the confidence that I wont end up deleting the whole thing in error. I love Cubecart, there are a few things I wanted that OsCommerce has but I couldn't get to grips with their software. I guess these Support Forums and the ease of use are what persuaded me that Cubecart was for me. I have found everyone one in here to be friendly and helpful and above all understanding (even I can see that the same old questions get asked time and again sometimes.)

Whilst I would love all the mods to be free (due to my extreme lack of budget) I do appreciate that they all take time to create. Computers cost money to run, websites need to be hosted and there is always another bill on the mat so these guys deserve to be paid for their work.

If you want to reach a compromise how about charging for new mods and then, when they are six or twelve months old release them for free? Isn't that how Sky Box Office works. Want to watch that new film now - you pay, want to watch it in six months - it is on a free movie channel.

That way everyone is happy, the "Mod" owner is being rewarded for his work, the store owner gets an upgraded store and Cubecart reaches wider audiences. I am sure most of the store owners wouldn't be too happy if customers asked them to give their stock away for free - so what is the difference?

Keep up the good work guys - you deserve to be paid!!

Helen

Helshop & House of Lust

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