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CubeCart 4 is out now - Free CubeCart 3! :)


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Now CubeCart 4 is out now.

I think its a cool idea for asking if youe are willing to put the CubeCart 3 under GPL.

Then you have good public relations and you can use this for pushing CubeCart 4.

There is no need for support CubeCart 3 anymore if this become a community project.

What do you think about my proposition? B)

Cheers Peter

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God i hope not!

One of the reasons V3 is so popular is because it is still supported. Take that away and you end up like the other opensource carts - no support and relying on the community to keep your store safe.

yes thats right

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Hm that is a good argument but whether community or company - the security question is a thing which can only handled by skilled people.

If the code is good and simple there shouldn't be any problem when the security fixes and the support comes from the community and yeah i think cubecart 3 well organized B)

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I guess it's then a choice to make between Open Source and Non-Open Source B)

Personally I've tried a few cart options before I settled for CubeCart and am glad I did. The support is top-notch and long may it continue.

At the end of the day, V3 is free, you only need to pay to remove copyright and there is still a very active community.

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thats the point - i understand free in a other way.

i do some modifications and i will share them. free means to me that everyone can make modifications and add new features and share them with the rest of the cubecart community.

the copyright hint isnt a problem for me. if i have some more money than now i think i will remove this.

by the way cubecart is such a great software that i don't need support :)

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On many opensource system, you can't remove the copyright, otherwise you're breaking the GNU license.

CC may not be opensource, BUT it's code is open to full view, unlike the bulk of other commercial systems, therfore it's a modder's dream, because you can always get in and hack something to make it work differently.

I kind of agree with you about the spirit of contributors. On here (and I say this without offence), modders have all pretty much jumped on the bandwagon making a micro-industry from selling their mods. If you take a system like phpBB (Forum), MODs are seen as free. However, I have come across many phpBB mods that are not free. The difference is that free mods are endorsed by the project community (They undergo a quick compatibility test), and are thereafter available for download from phpBB in the mods section. I do think that any free contributions to CC could certainly undergo a similar system of scrutiny and thereafter distribution. This does pose one question: When the mod author no longer supports the MOD, are the developers expected to then pick up the pieces and answer support questions?

Final note: Not all mod authors here make money from their mods, there are many free contributions. Also, some of the MODs available are quite elaborate, have taken a lot of time to put together, and I guess that if you have spent weeks developing something specialised, perhaps it's only fair to get a reward. I really don't like. If you are a programmer, how are you supposed to earn a living from doing everything for free?

I personally find opensource irresponsible, perhaps it has political undertones that I'm not comfortable with.

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Yes, I do think it would be nice to have seen modifications undergo some sort of compatibility test on a clean install of CC. However as you say, who then provides support etc when things go wrong.

I don't have objection to authors making money. At the end of the day if I can't do it myself and really want it I will pay on the basis it improves my site and in return makes me more money. As long as the cost is not excessive.

It's like buying a skin or website template - it takes time to put together so only reasonable that people make something from it.

However, as has been pointed out, those making money have generally contributed a lot to CC for free through free modifications, skins and generally answering questions in forums :)

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I dont think people realise how little the skin and mod authors actauly make from there wares.

There are a lot of hours work put into developement then testing and creating the instructions and once people start putting multiple mods on their site you get caught up trying to jiggle your mods to fit in which again takes a long time.

The skins I beleive are even worse as everyone wants a bespoke skin that is the best out there with your copywrite removed and the goalpost change all the time, it starts with I just want a plain skin to wanting mods added and then more and more elaborate skin and then graphics and a header logo. Then they maon that they can get a pre made skin for less than your asking (well of course you can if you want you store to look like 10 others out there and have a copywrite at the bottom, but you knew that at the begining anyway).

Modders do not stay in this for the money as there is very little to be made in relation to man hours worked.

You will find modders come and go in this game as alot of them think thet can make a quick buck but its only the ones that do it for the love of it that stay the long term.

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I personally find opensource irresponsible, perhaps it has political undertones that I'm not comfortable with.

Hi Brivtech,

(tongue firmly in cheek) I'm not sure what you mean by this? Don't you use Apache? lol

I'd prefer something that is OpenSource (ie people can read and build the code), than something closed source.

This mainly comes down to my distrust of large organisations and governments. I generally don't have to time/skills to tweak the code - but can see why it's important.

I also think the competition is good, it keeps the commercial vendors on their toes.

If Linux wasn't a threat, a certain Redmond based software company wouldn't be offering huge bribes discounts to Governments and schools worldwide.

That is a political undertone :-)

My main line of work doesn't have a large Open Source project base. I develop "LabVIEW" based test/measurement equipment, and also program DSP's. The toolkits are expensive and proprietary - but thats whats needed.

I'm realistic enough to know that using some free/low cost system just won't do for my line of work.

Interestingly enough, the largest science project in the UK - Diamond Light Source, uses an Open Source control system called "EPICS", with Linux based Front-Ends.

But they do have a large army of cardigan wearing geeks to support it!

Sorry - I saw your closing comment, and I had to reply!

Jason

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(tongue firmly in cheek) I'm not sure what you mean by this? Don't you use Apache? lol

:whistle: You're absolutely right! Clearly I have double standards in this regard.

Yeah, there's pros and cons of each I guess. :)

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Don't get it wrong but your arguments sound to me like the arguments i heared when opensource ( especially linux ) comes up on the horizon to take over the cooperate servers. And whats now? Companys make money like hell only with support.

Yes i know every developer want to earn money - thats not wrong but why not open (GPL or BSD) a old product and sell the new product?

But i see - i don't get a foot into the door if i think its a good idea to free the old version of Cubecart. It was just a nice try :)

Peter

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Part of the issue is branding. Alistair has worked VERY hard to develop a quality, reputable brandname in CubeCart. If he were to shift CC3 to true open source, then it could very well split or branch and potentially get turned into an insecure piece of crap. That would virtually destroy the well-built brand he's worked to create.

Think about it....if there were a free opensource version of CubeCart that was known to be full of holes and nobody really stepping up to fix it, it would get a bad reputation. Then if somebody asked about the paid version, it would undoubtedly get confused with the opensource version and likely lose sales. Then before long, there's no Devellion left to make any of it. I view this as bad. :(

:)

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ccjoel712x ..............your absolutely right, i think Zencart is the right choice for you. So dont waste any more time in here, hop along to their forum and get started.

See Ya :on2long:

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(Sorry for feeding the troll)

You don't need to upgrade your clients sites.

CC3 is still supported. There has been no end of life announcement for CC3 yet.

Do the smart thing and only upgrade if the client wants to, then its chargeable work.

Would you have upgraded clients desktop PC's from XP to Vista the day it came out?

Stop being a "$%^&*()&^", and behave like a professional.

Jason

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(Sorry for feeding the troll)

You don't need to upgrade your clients sites.

CC3 is still supported. There has been no end of life announcement for CC3 yet.

Do the smart thing and only upgrade if the client wants to, then its chargeable work.

Would you have upgraded clients desktop PC's from XP to Vista the day it came out?

Stop being a "$%^&*()&^", and behave like a professional.

Jason

LOL, I deleted my post 'cause it was a bit too flaming I think. But maybe it was deserved.

I don't have to "behave" like a pro 'cause I already am. Where's the rules about how to behave like a "pro"? But then you're from the UK. I know you UK people need to "behave". Where's that Pink Floyd song. And now I just had an epiphany, Devellion is from the UK!

Now that makes sense.

I'm glad this was caught in the bud so I won't do anymore sites with cubecart!

I will do the "smart thing" and redo my sites with Zencart. So there. Go behave yourself. lol

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Not for the want of repeating myself.......................but:

ccjoel712x ..............your absolutely right, i think Zencart is the right choice for you. So dont waste any more time in here, hop along to their forum and get started.

See Ya ;)

Can somebody end this thread please as i think this person clearly loves it in this forum or else he would have already done as he said he was going to and therefore i see this going on for a while.

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I quote my earlier post in another topic:

While I appreciate an open forum, to voice opinions, I will NOT allow inappripriate language or sheer rudeness.

If I see any further posts like this, I will not hesitate to ban the user.

I am happy for people to voice their opinions in a civil manner, that is, after all, one of the purposes of an open and impartial forum.

I fully agree, topic closed, and member warning level increased.

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